Ben Clemens FanGraphs Chat - 9/11/23

2:02Ben Clemens: Hey all people
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2:02Ben Clemens: Sorry I’m late, simply bought again from a canine stroll, however let’s kick issues off instantly
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2:02Mike: …and there goes the final cause to tune into Yankee video games this yr.
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2:03Ben Clemens: Yeah, what a bummer. I wouldn’t go fairly that far, I’m nonetheless actually having fun with watching Volpe and Judge, however yeah, what a tragic ending to a tragic season
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2:03HassleDad: Hi Ben!  Long-time listener, first time caller.  With the information that Mike Trout may be on the block, what are your ideas on his commerce worth?  With a power again damage and a historical past of stepping into solely 100-110 video games per season as he enters his decline section, his contract is the other way up (7 years, $248M remaining).  An optimistic ZIPS projection has Trout as ~20 WAR over the following seven years (although a single 8 WAR Troutian season will change the mathematics), so is that this a state of affairs the place a single 45 FV participant will get it achieved?  Or do you assume that Moreno will eat a bit of the contract to get again some prospect capital?
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2:03Mike M: Who trades for Mike Trout?
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2:04Ben Clemens: There are going to be plenty of Trout commerce questions right this moment I’m positive, so I’ll simply offer you my normal ideas
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2:05Ben Clemens: I believe that there are groups who would surrender a good quantity for Trout with nothing coming again on the contract.
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2:05Ben Clemens: It’s seven years at 35 million a yr, which is clearly an enormous dedication, significantly if you happen to fear about his expertise declining along with the damage threat
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2:06Ben Clemens: however it’s simply laborious to get a hitter like that, so I can think about groups which are glad to run excessive payrolls however don’t have quite a bit to spend that on in the mean time being . This is just like the Giants, Yankees, possibly Red Sox
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2:07Ben Clemens: I believe it’d most likely be a foul deal from a pure baseball operations aspect, to be trustworthy. I’m all for consolidating up for stars and being prepared to simply accept a ‘surplus value hit’, however I’m actually afraid of Trout’s trajectory
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2:07Ben Clemens: Ignore the cash; he’s 31, simply had his worst price stat yr, and in addition won't crack 400 PA this yr
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2:07Ben Clemens: that’s scary
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2:08Ben Clemens: But he’s freaking Mike Trout, if this was only a down yr and he’s, say, a 5-6 WAR RF for the following half-decade, it’s an enormous coup
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2:09Ben Clemens: so I believe that the Angels will most likely commerce him with the entire contract in the event that they transfer him, get again not a ton, and name it a day. I didn’t actually assume this for Ohtani — I assumed they’d prioritize huge names coming again relatively than shifting Rendon’s deal — however it’s completely different with Trout b/c we’re speaking about his personal contract, not tacking on a foul one
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2:09Appa Yip Yip: Davis Schneider is clearly not going to maintain hitting like Barry Bonds on steroids, however it positive looks as if he’s going to be higher than unranked org man, the place do you assume cheap expectations fall for him?
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2:09Ben Clemens: Specifically, till tomorrow
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2:09Ben Clemens: Actually, possibly don’t, as a result of I’m not precisely wanting into the long-term view, however I’m writing about him tomorrow is the purpose
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2:09J: Loved your Suzuki article, however one notice: it feels unfair to explain his protection as middling. SSS however all of his metrics are above common and improved since final season.
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2:10Ben Clemens: if Statcast is true thyis yr, he’s a +2 RF
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2:10Ben Clemens: that sounds fairly middling to me
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2:10Ben Clemens: like positive, they’re above common, however probably not by a lot
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2:10Princess Leia: Help us Obi-Wan Clemon-Obi, you’re our solely hope…

Except for Acuna. He’s fairly superior too.

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2:10KC Pain: Better Star Wars title, Dylan Lesko or Quinn Priester?
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2:11Ben Clemens: man, I really like the Star Wars title a part of this chat
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2:11Ben Clemens: I’m going with Akil Baddoo, personally, however I believe Quinn Priester is barely higher between these two
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2:11Insert Witty Name Here: Last yr in your 11/7/22 chat, I used to be gushing about Bryson Stott saying my eye take a look at was higher than the projections and also you replied mainly that you simply didn’t assume he was a transcendental hitter, however you continue to favored him and gave a cash quote of “Stott is the kind of player who looks better offensively than he is.” 10 months later, he nearly doubled his preseason WAR projection. I’m not taking a full victory lap right here as a result of it’s not like he’s getting MVP votes and it’s not like he’s blown away his projections (despite the fact that he’s surpassed them with one month left to play). But I’m curious to observe up in your ideas of Bryce’s Son Bryson Stott with this season nearly wrapped up.
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2:12Ben Clemens: I'd say that I’m reallllly impressed along with his protection
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2:12Ben Clemens: what a monster season at second
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2:12Ben Clemens: I actually didn’t see that coming
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2:12Ben Clemens: hitting-wise, I really feel like I used to be heading in the right direction, as have been you
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2:13Ben Clemens: He’s an above common hitter this yr, and it’s largely as a result of he doesn’t strike out very a lot
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2:13Ben Clemens: a participant you’d like to have in your staff
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2:13Ben Clemens: I nonetheless do assume his offensive recreation seems to be higher than it's; I’ve watched a good variety of Phillies video games this yr and I’m stunned he solely has a .337 OBP with middling energy
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2:13Ben Clemens: however man, if he can play protection like this, that’s an superior on a regular basis starter
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2:13Derek: Mid-day canine walks are the #1 good thing about working from dwelling imo
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2:14Ben Clemens: I am going out between 9:30 and 10 most days, so after I’ve submitted a morning article
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2:14Ben Clemens: My canine is a delicate soul, she’s a bit reactive to different canines, and it’s a lot calmer this time of day
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2:14Appa Yip Yip: Blue Jays vs Rangers this feels tense I believe it’s gonna be a tense sequence
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2:14Ben Clemens: Oh yeah, positively the sequence I’m most excited for this week
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2:14Derek: (I promise I’m not a canine)
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2:14MilwaukeeBeerJays: If you would begin a franchise with any present participant, who wouldn't it be and why is it Davis Schneider?
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2:15Ben Clemens: I’d begin it with Spencer Strider b/c he looks as if a cool dude to hang around with
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2:15Guest: What form of canine do you've? I wager it’s a superb boy (or lady).
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2:15Ben Clemens: She is, in fact, an excellent lady. She’s a retriever/pit mixture of some kind, a pleasant giant girl (75 lb), and has some nervousness points that we're working by
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2:15Jake Marogersnik: *eyes emoji* Spencer Torkelson at present leads AL 1B in dwelling runs
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2:16Ben Clemens: Wow, that’s form of wonderful
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2:17Ben Clemens: I don’t assume it’s utterly true, as a result of Anthony Santander has performed 11 video games at first and is tied with Tork ,however man no first basemen are hitting homers this yr huh?
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2:17Ben Clemens: within the AL a minimum of
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2:17Ben Clemens: If you don’t depend Santander, there are three first basemen within the prime 30 AL HR hitters
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2:17Ben Clemens: Torkelson, Casas, Vlad
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2:18Noodles Hahn: Blake Snell’s Cy Young case appears to essentially revolve round how his stroll points are seen. At what level do the outcomes simply outweigh the peripherals? On the flip aspect, once I take a look at Striders numbers, I can’t justify him being shut with a 3.83 ERA. I get the underlying metrics recommend he’s been unfortunate, however am I unsuitable for principally not caring about xStats or FIP that a lot in Cy voting?
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2:18Ben Clemens: I’m form of off Strider in the mean time
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2:18Ben Clemens: I do assume that ‘what happened’ is an overused mind-set about it, as a result of loads of stuff that goes into ERA is out of a pitcher’s management
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2:19Ben Clemens: however this isn’t a Corbin Burnes case, the place his ERA was somewhat increased than his FIP however he was lapping the league in FIP and never far off in ERA
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2:19Ben Clemens: I imply, Burnes actually led the league in ERA that yr
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2:19Ben Clemens: and had a 1.63 FIP
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2:20Ben Clemens: Strider is getting tagged for approach too many homers, in my e book. 20 this yr
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2:20Ben Clemens: I believe I'd vote for Justin Steele tbh
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2:20Ben Clemens: fortunately the season doesn’t finish right this moment
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2:20TomBruno23: Help us Won-Bin Cho?
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2:20Princess Leia: Has anybody recommended Taijan Walker but?
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2:21Ben Clemens: Excellent selections
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2:21Derek: If (clearly large “if”) he will get traded: Trout to the Phillies appears nearly too excellent. Dombrowski isn’t afraid to empty the farm, Phillies can (and have present the willingness to) afford a minimum of some non-trivial portion of his contract, Trout is nearer to dwelling, Harper + Trout on the identical staff (!!!)… And maybe most significantly, Trout will get to expertise what appear to be his two favourite issues on the planet – precise climate, and the Philadelphia Eagles!
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2:21Ben Clemens: Honestly, I don’t see it. It’s simply an excessive amount of of a logjam with their current lengthy contracts
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2:22Ben Clemens: And you possibly can take no matter form of wealthy individuals transportation you employ from NY to see the Eagles 8 video games a yr
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2:22Ben Clemens: it’s not like Trout will solely purchase a home in Philly if he will get traded there
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2:22v2micca: Do you've copy editors on workers to proof-read articles.  I ask as a result of regardless of the quantity of datapoints and typically troublesome to spell names, I hardly ever discover any grammatical or spelling errors in your articles.  So, huge props to whoever handles your proof-reading.
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2:22Ben Clemens: Oh yeah, large shout out to Meg
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2:22Ben Clemens: and Jon Tayler
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2:23Ben Clemens: They deal with the copy-editing and in addition the factual stuff, which is way tougher given what number of baseball gamers exist and what number of statistics we’re utilizing in each article
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2:23Ben Clemens: I'm fairly good at spelling and I’d say middling at grammar, after which they polish it as much as excellent
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2:23Giant Gonzales: Now that they’re all the way down to 1% playoff odds, Boston ought to have loads of cash to spend within the offseason. After buying and selling Verdugo, what two beginning pitchers ought to they aim? I do know the homeowners are too low-cost to go for Ohtani, however what about huge contracts for Yamamoto and one of many Nola/Snell/Montgomery quantity 2 sorts?
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2:23Ben Clemens: Yeha, Yamamoto and Monty seems like a pleasant pair for me
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2:23re: AL 1B: Don’t overlook Justin turner.  More homers and only a usually approach higher season than Vlad Jr.
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2:24Ben Clemens: That’s only a miss by me, I didn’t understand what number of video games he’d performed at first
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2:24Ben Clemens: In my head he was a DH
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2:24JK: What’s your tackle the Farhan regime? I don’t assume I spotted how dangerous the state of affairs was that he took over, however the outcomes have additionally been middling.
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2:25Ben Clemens: I believe it’s a case of penny smart pound silly, however the pound silly half comes all the way down to some huge swings they’ve missed on and I’m undecided if it’s honest to knock them for not signing, say, Aaron Judge
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2:25Ben Clemens: the Giants appear extremely good at turning a nickel right into a 7 cent coin or no matter
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2:25Ben Clemens: actually spectacular capacity to each assist their very own prospects enhance and in addition discover non-prospect guys elsewhere that may contribute
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2:26Ben Clemens: They simply proceed to construct a staff that appears prefer it wants some star upside, and never signal stars
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2:27Ben Clemens: like, I form of assume that the entrance workplace just isn't proud of the present composition of the roster
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2:28Ben Clemens: not b/c they’re unhappy about Yaz and J.D. Davis and Thairo and so forth, however as a result of the apparent transfer has been to spend a metric ton of cash so as to add a star and so they hold not doing it
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2:28Kwantifying: Pitchers are biased in the direction of not throwing the identical pitch twice in a row. You assume that’s an inefficiency?
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2:28Ben Clemens: I’ve tried to measure this so many occasions
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2:28Ben Clemens: I really can’t let you know what the ‘right’ reply is
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2:28Ben Clemens: it doesn’t *appear* like going back-to-back with the identical pitch delivers extra returns
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2:30Ben Clemens: however I’m not a fantastic statistician and I’m definitely not assured in my controls
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2:30Pads Fan: Despite their on-field outcomes this yr, shouldn’t the Padres be an interesting group from a TV broadcasting standpoint? Especially since possession has proven a willingness to financially commit long-term.
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2:30Ben Clemens: I believe they're
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2:30Ben Clemens: San Diego is an effective market, too
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2:30Ben Clemens: being the one staff in a fairly large metro space works properly
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2:30v2micca: Regarding the Strider Homeruns this yr.  Do you assume a part of it's simply the league getting extra video on him and understanding how higher to regulate to him.  He’s getting his Okay’s and has lowered his stroll price.  But I really feel that when he misses along with his pitches this yr, groups are punishing it extra constantly.
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2:31Ben Clemens: Yeah, I dunno about the entire ‘when he misses’ factor as a result of I do assume that errors get punished at a reasonably constant price
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2:31Ben Clemens: however I do assume that there’s extra video on him, and that groups are attempting laborious to not get eaten alive by excessive fastballs
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2:32bosoxforlife: I take a look at the Braves and really am stunned that their file isn’t nearer to 110-30. Michael Harris, who bats ninth, could be one of the best hitter on a quantity groups and so they function out two aces and two stable starters behind them.
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2:32Ben Clemens: yeah the Braves are ridiculous
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2:33Ben Clemens: I’m an enormous Harris fan, although I do assume they’re batting him ninth regardless of realizing he’s not the worst hitter on the staff
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2:33Ben Clemens: I believe he’s most likely nearer to fifth-best or so, possibly sixth?
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2:33Ben Clemens: it’s simply an outrageous offense although
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2:34Ben Clemens: The pitching aspect is extra stars and scrubs, for my part
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2:34Ben Clemens: I”m kinda down on Elder and Morton, although yeah they’re utterly cheap as 3/4 choices
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2:35Ben Clemens: however there’s a cause we mission htem for one of the best rest-of-season file by a mile
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2:35Ben Clemens: projected .612 profitable proportion, that’s fairly nuts
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2:35Ben Clemens: and a 31% likelihood of profitable the world sequence jeez!
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2:35C-low: Not excited for Os-Rays?
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2:36Ben Clemens: however the Rangers/Jays factor feels extra pressing as a result of the race is nearer and since one of many groups will miss the playoffs solely
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2:36bb: I’ve been listening to that Jordan Walker’s protection has been bettering (Dad’s eye take a look at, not all that dependable) are statcast defensive splits a factor?
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2:36Ben Clemens: They are, and it’s true!
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2:37Ben Clemens: Adam Akbani has the deets
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2:37darb: You and Lowe buying and selling Friday columns could be a hilarious bit one week
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2:37Ben Clemens: If I might do this I'd
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2:37Ben Clemens: He’s a biiiiiit extra well-known than me
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2:37Ben Clemens: Also, I’d do a tennis column if I might
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2:38Ben Clemens: fairly frankly, I watched an irresponsible quantity of tennis prior to now two weeks for somebody whose job is a baseball author
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2:38SouthernDandy: The Myles Straw for Phil Maton and Yanier Diaz commerce is wanting fairly one-sided at this level. Especially given Cleveland’s lack of energy.  Since May thirty first Yanier is 2nd within the AL in HR/ABs behind solely Ohtani!
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2:38Ben Clemens: Yeah, that one stung
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2:38Ben Clemens: maybe this can be a Myles Straw man argument, however he looks as if an actual proxy for the sorts of issues the Guardians get unsuitable
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2:38Ben Clemens: to be clear, they get a LOT proper
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2:39Brian: Speaking of throwing the identical pitch again to again…for so long as I've watched baseball (and doubtless for so long as their have been announcers) it has be stated {that a} pitch up and in units up a pitch low and away. By the time a hitter reaches the massive leagues they've most likely seen tens of hundreds of pitches. Would 1 pitch up and in actually make you lose all recognition of down and away?
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2:39Ben Clemens: ‘oh man, he got me again! Every time I see a high fastball I forget that other zones exist’
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2:40SouthernDandy: Tennis is superior. Very psychological sport as there may be nowhere to cover and you have to regroup and alter technique on the fly
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2:40Ben Clemens: plus due to the way in which the factors work, it units up plenty of thrilling moments
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2:40Ben Clemens: each time somebody is available in to web, there’s a possible spotlight
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2:40Ben Clemens: however then additionally yeah, it’s simply you on the market
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2:41Ben Clemens: I liked watching Aryna Sabalenka and Daniil Medvedev on this US Open since you might see them battling situations, confidence, their shot, all the pieces
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2:41Ben Clemens: in actual time
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2:41the man who asks the lunch query: what’s for lunch?
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2:41Ben Clemens: so right here’s a life hack my mother taught me
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2:41Ben Clemens: purchase the costco rotisserie rooster in a shrink wrapped bag ,shred it up, and freeze it in small baggies
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2:42Ben Clemens: make the baggies two servings every if you happen to usually make meals for 2, however you understand, that half is versatile
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2:42Ben Clemens: then you possibly can simply thaw a bag out and have pre-cooked rotisserie rooster very simply for any meal
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2:42Ben Clemens: so right this moment for lunch we’re making an avocado rooster and tomato salad with balsamic
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2:42Ben Clemens: however it’s gonna take no time in any respect b/c we took out a rotisserie rooster bag yesterday
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2:42Dan: Crow-Armstrong about to be known as up. Any ideas about how he will likely be used, the affect he might need?
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2:43Ben Clemens: I’m very skeptical of his profile if I’m being trustworthy
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2:43Ben Clemens: I’m glad to be confirmed unsuitable, I hope I’m confirmed unsuitable as a result of he’s the form of participant I like, speedy middle fielder with instruments
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2:44KC Pain: Did Yainer Diaz slip by cracks?  He didnt appear to be touted that extremely when he was moved.  I believe you guys had prime 3 for Houston coming into this season so props.  What saved you guys excessive on him and why did others whiff?
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2:44Ben Clemens: This is extra of a query for Eric, however yeah, he was not significantly extremely touted coming into the yr
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2:46Ben Clemens: I used to be form of stunned, to be trustworthy, however I’m all the time a sucker for catchers who acn each hit and don’t appear like disasters behind the plate
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2:46Ben Clemens: I overrate catching prospects constantly, it’s a gap in my analysis expertise that I do know I've
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2:47Ben Clemens: Emphasis on don’t appear like disasters, I’m not saying Diaz is a superb catcher
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2:47Princess Leia: Got an quaint shootout brewing in Philly right this moment. Are you watching whereas we chat?
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2:47bosoxforlife: Did you simply see the play within the Braves-Phillies recreation? Remarkable
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2:48Ben Clemens: I haven’t turned it on but, I’m somewhat bit behind on getting tomorrow’s article on faucet and I used to be feeling barely under-baseball-knowledged for this chat so I’m mainly scanning leaderboards and field scores on my second monitor
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2:48Mac: At this level after dominguez’s UCL tear, it doesn’t move the odor take a look at to say that the yankees’ damage issues are all dangerous luck or older gamers, does it?
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2:48Ben Clemens: it form of does to me, however damage evaluation is absoutely not one thing I focus on
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2:49Guest: Fantasy Championship this week which 3 do you choose:
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2:49Guest: Keller(WSN), Skubal(@LAA), Williams(@SF,TEX), or Wicks(@COL,@ARI). Sorry hit ship too early!
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2:49Ben Clemens: Ooh, good query. I believe I’d simply go together with Williams (two begins, none in Coors) as a result of I’m not overwhelmed by the opposite choices
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2:49Ben Clemens: So I’m simply going again to normal rules
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2:49Ben Clemens: I believe Skubal is the runner up for me
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2:49Ben Clemens: however actually, two begins and one among them being towards the Giants sounds fairly engaging
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2:50bosoxforlife: Acuna’s arm is pretty much as good as his bat.
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2:50Ben Clemens: Also, he’s not that good of a fielder?
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2:50Ben Clemens: Mike Petriello had a superb twitter thread on that right this moment
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2:50darb: Cardinals fan is PCA hater, eh? Just kidding, hope you’re unsuitable although!
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2:50Ben Clemens: Here’s a PCA comp for you
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2:50Ben Clemens: Harrison Bader
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2:51Ben Clemens: mainly I don’t love the strikeout price, and so he’s going to wish to essentially smash the ball when he connects to run a superb offensive line towards huge league pitching
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2:51Ben Clemens: however man, that glove
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2:52Ben Clemens: He has a extremely voracious method on the plate
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2:52Ben Clemens: and I do assume he has plus energy
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2:53Ben Clemens: however I can completely see a 35% strikeout price, 6% stroll price, runs into some dwelling runs however nonetheless a beneath common offensive participant form of future for him
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2:53SouthernDandy: Any ideas about gamers transitioning to taking part in some 1B.  I’d wish to see the Astros give Yanier Diaz and presumably Michael Brantley(assuming Astros resign him, which they need to) a while there subsequent yr.  Even if Abreu rebounds some, he’s not getting any youthful
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2:54Ben Clemens: Yeah, these each make sense to me. I’d most likely hold giving Yainer as a lot time behind the plate as he can deal with, as a result of it’s actually precious to have a catcher who can hit and that additionally means they'll play Maldonado much less
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2:54Ben Clemens: however rotating him in there? Sure
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2:54Ben Clemens: and Brantley just isn't actually an outfielder today, I’m with you
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2:54v2micca: Acuna simply put up HR quantity 36.  I believe he could wish to be part of that 40-40 membership.
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2:54Ben Clemens: That man is sweet, I’ve heard
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2:54HappyFunBall: IMHO, if the LAAs are prepared to commerce Trout that alerts full rebuild. At that time they'll instantly shift into the mode the place they disconnect price and profitable. In different phrases, if I’m the LAAs and buying and selling Trout, I’m prepared to eat a few of his contract in an effort to carry some actual expertise into the farm system. That brings extra than simply the massive spenders to the desk.
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2:54Ben Clemens: I suppose I might see that?
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2:55Ben Clemens: I don’t fairly image Arte Moreno as the sort to eat a bunch of cash, although
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2:56Ben Clemens: Maybe I’m unsuitable. This is the form of factor that I discover it not possible to have precious perception on with no supply
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2:56Appa Yip Yip: Fans like to try to discover somebody guilty for accidents as a result of “bad luck” is a essentially unsatisfying reply however like. Injuries are simply dangerous luck your staff’s coaching workers aren't incompetent.
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2:56Ben Clemens: Oh it could possibly completely be each
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2:57Ben Clemens: But I agree that it’s very laborious to determine, and {that a} good default assumption is ‘bad luck’
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2:57Ben Clemens: The Mets actually had incompetent trainers for years within the mid-2010’s
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2:57Ben Clemens: you’ll by no means persuade me in any other case
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2:57bosoxforlife: I've seen a disproportionate variety of misplayed flies this yr. Do you assume right this moment’s gamers have a lot bother with the solar in day video games as a result of they don’t play many day video games? and Harris only one over the CF fence, then Acuna made up for his misplay with a subsequent pitch dinger
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2:57Ben Clemens: Hm, I haven’t actually observed that, and it seems like a tough factor to analysis
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2:59Ben Clemens: That stated, I can a minimum of purchase the pitch. It’s true that there are fewer day video games basically. But my null speculation is that no, baseball gamers are simply fairly good, and typically the solar is vivid
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2:59Chloe: Should JP France be an Astros playoff starter over Hunter Brown? How do you anticipate future efficiency from guys who come out of nowhere like this?
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2:59Ben Clemens: I'd not begin him over Hunter Brown, however I’d begin him over Cristian Javier
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3:00Ben Clemens: That stated, Brown has been abysmal in his final 4 begins so I wouldn’t hate giving him a relaxation begin or one thing to let him regroup
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3:01Appa Yip Yip: What staff would you place Trout on, if you happen to might drive a commerce by fiat?
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3:01Ben Clemens: Oh, the Giants
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3:01Ben Clemens: I’d wish to see Trout play quite a bit
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3:01Ben Clemens: and I attend far more Giants video games than some other staff
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3:01G4: Counsell your NL supervisor of the yr? Snitker is sweet however doesn’t appear to have to work as laborious for wins.
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3:02Ben Clemens: I believe I’d vote for Torey Lovullo tbh
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3:02Ben Clemens: I don’t actually know the way supervisor of the yr voting SHOULD work
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3:02Ben Clemens: however c’mon, the Diamondbacks are a playoff staff, who noticed that coming?
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3:03Ben Clemens: Craig Counsell has achieved a fantastic job of getting Devin Williams and taking part in within the NL Central, and I do assume he’s a wonderful supervisor
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3:03Ben Clemens: I can’t get very labored up over supervisor of the yr votes, although
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3:03Ben Clemens: so choose who you need, I’d say
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3:03bosoxforlife: Who is your alternative for NL MVP? Mookie is nice however does 40-70 clinch it for Acuna?
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3:03Ben Clemens: I’d go together with Mookie proper now however I believe it’s gonna be laborious to disclaim Acuna
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3:03Ben Clemens: if he hits all these milestone spherical numbers
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3:03SouthernDandy: JP France has seemed stable however a bit lucky outcomes smart to me
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3:04A Boy Named Yu: Who you bought for NL Cy Young?
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3:04Ben Clemens: I've Steele proper now, however actually I've whoever pitches greatest of their final 4 begins
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3:04ZackAttack: When Cole wins the CY this yr will Wheeler be the brand new “best active pitcher never to win the award”, who else are candidates?
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3:05Ben Clemens: I used to be gonna snigger at ‘when’ however man, it actually does look that approach
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3:05Ben Clemens: Castillo is the one individual actually inside shouting distance I believe
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3:06Ben Clemens: hmmmm…. different candidates. Max Fried, Adam Wainwright, Kevin Gausman
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3:07Ben Clemens: Brandon Woodruff deserves a nod
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3:07Ben Clemens: Wainwright is a humorous one as a result of woof, he’s dangerous now, however he was superior for fairly some time
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3:07darb: Is Cole, not Waino, one of the best lively pitcher to not win one?
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3:07Ben Clemens: I believe I’d marginally give it to Cole due to the absurd peak, however they’re most likely the highest two
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3:08Ben Clemens: Hyun JIn Ryu
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3:08SouthernDandy: The AL West seems to be like a 3 staff race for the following a number of seasons.  Who do you assume is greatest arrange for the following 3-5 years, beginning subsequent season between: Astros, Mariners, and Rangers?
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3:08Ben Clemens: Gimme the Mariners, which is all the time a scary factor to say
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3:08Ben Clemens: I actually like their pitching core, and I believe that ‘find some dudes around Julio’ works
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3:09Ben Clemens: Wow I realllly thought Sale gained in both 2014 or 2017
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3:09Ben Clemens: yeah, he’s forward of Wheeler for me
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3:09Ben Clemens: most likely nonetheless behind Wainwright? however it’s shut
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3:09MilwaukeeBeerJays: Which 1 would you select: you get to seize a hotdogs with babe Ruth, you get to have dinner with Shohei Ohtani at Tokyo’s greatest sushi restaurant otherwise you get to drink 74 beers with Wade Boggs on a helicopter?
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3:10Ben Clemens: Ohtani for me. I do assume that he has one of the best exercise, too
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3:10Ben Clemens: plus I really like sushi and in addition love Tokyo
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3:11KC Pain: What about Darvish?  I do know he had some stud years however I dont assume he ever gained one both.  Mind blown about Sale. Thought he had one.
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3:11Ben Clemens: up there as properly
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3:12Ben Clemens: Darvish is one among my favourite pitchers
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3:12Ben Clemens: he additionally has two second place finishes
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3:12Ghost of Wade Boggs: Nolan Ryan most likely deserves some competition within the Cy Youngless leaderboards (until he’s already been talked about and I missed it)
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3:12Ben Clemens: oh, it’s simply lively gamers
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3:13Ghost of Wade Boggs: I’ll see myself out then
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3:13Ben Clemens: But he’d clearly be very excessive on the listing if we have been doing all gamers
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3:13Ben Clemens: him and a bunch of fellows who pitched earlier than the award existed
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3:13Ben Clemens: Cy Young might be one of the best pitcher to by no means win a Cy Young award
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3:13bosoxforlife: Sadly Sale is popping into what Wainwright has change into. It just isn't enjoyable watching the greats exit this fashion.
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3:13Ben Clemens: I’m particularly bummed about Waino as a result of final yr was so nice
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3:14Ben Clemens: stunning revival, playoff staff with enjoyable retiring veterans
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3:14Ben Clemens: The 2022 Cards season was one among my favorites
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3:14Ben Clemens: Seeing the Pujols renaissance was amazilng
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3:14Dave: Do you assume MLB will introduce any new guidelines this offseason to discourage doing what the Angels did by dumping so many gamers through waivers?
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3:15Ben Clemens: No, probably not
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3:15Ben Clemens: for all of the rending of clothes and gnashing of enamel, like, so what?
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3:16Ben Clemens: are we upset that the Reds bought two rotation outfielders?
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3:16Ben Clemens: or that the Guardians bought 10 IP and 13 ER out of Lucas Giolito thus far?
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3:17Ben Clemens: Giolito even misplaced to the Angels, woof
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3:17Ben Clemens: individuals acted like this was the tip of baseball legitimacy
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3:17Ben Clemens: and like, c’mon
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3:17Ghost of Wade Boggs: Ok, on the alternative finish of the spectrum, who would you say are the worst pitchers to have gained a Cy Young?
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3:17Ben Clemens: Rick Porcello, haha
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3:18Ben Clemens: I’m positive there are some from earlier than my time
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3:18Ben Clemens: I see {that a} reliever named Mark Davis gained the NL Cy Young in 1989, that was presumably not a fantastic determination
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3:18Ben Clemens: yeah okay I believe the reply may be Mark Davis
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3:19Ben Clemens: he’s a reliever with a profession 4.17 ERA
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3:19Ben Clemens: ooh, possibly LaMarr Hoyt?
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3:19Ben Clemens: there have been some actually dangerous cy younger winners
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3:20Ben Clemens: LaMarr Hoyt gained with a 3.53 ERA, so I’m not even positive what the joke was right here
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3:20Ben Clemens: Jack Morris had a decrease ERA and pitched extra innings, and even cracked the 20 win plateau
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3:20Ben Clemens: 3.66 ERA, my apologies
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3:21Zach: Steve Bedrosian, reliever who gained in 1987
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3:21Ben Clemens: Yeah, another choice
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3:21Farhandrew Zaidman: Booting the A’s out of Vegas (and reportedly letting them hold the title) to instantly declare what a fantastic Expansion website Oakland is…. what are we doing right here?
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3:21Ben Clemens: look, these items has not gone over properly
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3:21Ben Clemens: It’s gone over particularly poorly within the bay
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3:21Farhandrew Zaidman: Speaking of not passing the odor take a look at, apparently Forbes bought its palms on the A’s financials and confirmed the entire “losing $40 mil per year” factor.
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3:21Ben Clemens: I’m very to get my palms on these reviews
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3:21Ben Clemens: I used to be speaking about them with Meg this morning
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3:22Ben Clemens: so the A’s have round $220mm in prices yearly apparently
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3:22Ben Clemens: and their $20 million improve from final yr was attributed to non-baseball personnel hiring
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3:22Ben Clemens: however by my math, they make use of round 250 individuals (listed on their mlb web page) apart from gamers
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3:22Ben Clemens: so I can’t fairly determine how the mathematics provides up
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3:22Ben Clemens: simply basically
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3:22Ben Clemens: I’d love to really get to have a look at these numbers
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3:24Ben Clemens: like I don’t even have a fantastic thought for the place all these bills are coming from off the sector
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3:25KC Pain: Poor Phil Niekro by no means bought a Cy Young. Studs years had somebody beat him out w stats very comparable.  ☹️
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3:26HappyFunBall: Comparing the 1989 NL Cy Young voting outcomes to FG’s pitching leaderboard for a similar cohort is … form of stunning actually. It’s a bit wonderful how far we’ve come
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3:26CAL: An damage like Rengifo’s (Bicep Tendon Rupture), does which have a big unfavourable affect on what we should always anticipate subsequent season? It sounds dangerous however there’s additionally a complete offseason to get well.
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3:27Ben Clemens: Let’s simply say I’m apprehensive
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3:27Ben Clemens: I'm, once more, not an damage professional
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3:27Ben Clemens: But sure that sounds terrible
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3:29Ben Clemens: Sorry, I’m wanting by the Braves financials proper now tryihng to reconcile them with the A’s
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3:29Ben Clemens: and bought too caught up
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3:29Ben Clemens: that’s a job for after this chat
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3:29Farhandrew Zaidman: Pour one out for George Kirby, who was completely raked over the coals by each 40 one thing or 50 one thing retired SP with a twitter account this weekend.
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3:29Ben Clemens: Oh yeah, bear in mind, gamers shouldn’t be trustworthy
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3:29Ben Clemens: crucial that you simply’re not trustworthy about ever feeling drained or down
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3:29Ben Clemens: (this isn't actual recommendation, please don't observe it)
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3:30Ben Clemens: Alright, on that notice, I’m going to go take a look at monetary statements and make lunch
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3:30Ben Clemens: Have a fantastic week everybody, and I’ll discuss to you once more subsequent Monday
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Ben is a author at FanGraphs. He may be discovered on Twitter @_Ben_Clemens.

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